khongconai
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kca mới gắn DSL .. nhưng chỉ gắn cho 1 cái computer thôi. Hiện tại nha có tới 2 cái, ma muốn share internet thi fải làm sao? kca có mua cái cross cable để câu từ cái computer nay wa cái kia rồi, but still don't know how to set it up. .. Có ai biet lam ơn chỉ kca với nhé
thanks a bunch!
kca,
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VeCon
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Hello Sis Khong Con Ai :
Trước tiên xin được phép thay mặt cho Gia Đình Mực Tím thân chúc cho Sis và Gia Đình luôn đuợc an vui .. Bình an .. và đưọc moi sư như ý trong dịp Noel về
Để trả lời cho câu hỏi của Sis thì VeCon xin được chia ra làm 2 phần :
First Of All Nếu 2 cái Computer của Sis đều cùng xài Window XP thì rất dễ dàng để làm Home Net working .. Sis chỉ cần Click vào Start .. Help and Support và sau đó vào phần Net working .. Sis chỉ cần làm theo cách chỉ dẫn trong đó là okie
b]Secondly Nếu Sis không muốn làm cách noi trên ( rất tiện lợi Khi Sis muốn Share Files,, Informations... from one to another computers) thì sis cần phải có cái Router hay Hub ( ở đây VeCon xin đuợc noi riêng về Router )
Sis nên mua loại SMC Router ( 4 Cables) giá rất rẻ trong bestbuy ( khoảng chừng 20-30$ ) và sis cần thêm 1 công dây Cable goi là RJ-45 Khi sis vào tiêm Computer sis noi Cross cable hay RJ-45 foe Net working là They know
Về phần set up thì rất là dễ dàng ...Từ đuờng line cho DSL vào hộp cable Box ( DSL cable box)và từ đây đi vào trong Router ( Up link ) Sis còn có 4 ( Hay nhiều hơn tuỳ theo sis Mua 4.. hay 8 )Out put Và từ Out Put ,, let's say #1 và #2 đi ra cái computer của sis và cái computer khac trong gia đình ... Sis sẽ thấy khi dây cắm vào từ Cable Box tới Router và từ router ( assume that # 1 và # 2) sis sẽ thấy nó ( Router ) sẽ hiện lên cái Green Light Indicator vậy là cong .. sis không cần phải làm bất cứ gì nữa hết và máy của sis và máy khác
trong gia đình Get Ready on line .
Vì sis Share Internet by Router nên Sis sẽ có Firewalls ( phần này VeCon sẽ noi rỏ cho Sis sau hén ) nên Sis không cân thiết phải sợ nguời khac thâm nhập vào Computer của mình ( Yet still be an exceptional)
Vài hang cùng Sis .. nếu co gì thắc mắc xin post lên nhe sis
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JAJA
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JJ thích cái card designed by vecon đó !  thích 2 câu vinh danh nữa !
Chúc vecon cũng được nhiều an bình và đầy hồng ân trong mùa Noel này nhé !
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VeCon
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Thanks Sis Jaja ,,, VeCon làm cái card này và thêm 2 câu Vinh Danh vì VeCon có Đạo á sis JaJa ..Thanks sis nhiều và cầu xin ơn trên ban muôn Hồng Ân xuống trên Gia Đình sis thât nhiều trong ngày nhân loại hân hoan vui mừng đón chào ngày trọng đại này
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khongconai
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cám on sis VC nhiều nhé
để kca lam thử .. níu có gặp trục trặc gi ...thì lam phien sis tiếp nhé ..
thanks again
chúc sis luon vui ve!
kca,
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j2eeanddotnet
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VeCon, well done with what you instructed. Thanks very much for your kind wish and I would like to wish you likewise. Also good luck with your work or study endeavors. I wish that many good things might come to you in 2004.
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GodSpeeds
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Hi KCA, you want to share internet right? Here is my instruction from what I know and have done.
There are two ways you can do this:
1. You can use cross-over cable and set sharing internet on the computer which has dsl modem attached but this way, the the main(w/ dsl modem) computer must always be on so that is the disadvantage. Assume you're using WinXP so detailed instruction can be found by following the steps in My Network Places -> Setup a home or small office network Note: this can only be share directly between two computers and the main one must have two network cards(one card if dsl modem is a usb), one for dsl modem and one to connect to another computer.
2. Another way is buy a router, prefer Linksys brand since it is widely used and good price. Now instead of connecting ur dsl modem to the computer, connect to the router and from the router connect as many computers you like. Since you want to share two computers so you will need two standard cat-5 cables(cross-over won't work) connect to each computer directly from the router. There will be instructions on how to setup network included with the router. Note: if the dsl modem is an usb-powered device then it won't work since one computer must always be on.
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VeCon
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Hello j2eeanddotnet
Thanks alot for your comments ,, As always VeCon is here to learn and to share the little acknownledgement to those who in-needed .The way VeCon has look into your brilliant expalinations to those who need help about their projects,, shoolings... are very attractive, good work bro , keep it up
All the best ,warm wishes from VeCon as well as MucTim Family to you and your family during this Holy Christmas season and wonderful New Year
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j2eeanddotnet
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Vecon, thanks for your message and for not showing your prejudice over my second coming career (hopefully). I saw your had installed the Windows 2000 server in which the Mask might have installed the .Net framework. If this is the case, I am programming to convert some sections of the MT into .Net as requested by the Mask. If you wish to be posted please privately message me your email address and I will update you what I am doing and so you will have an idea. The pages will surely run on a Windows 2000 server which may be the one you set up.
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VeCon
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Dear Jean :
Thanks for your kindly helpful tips about the .Net* files , Thought those could be more useful in Win Advance 2000 server only .. Right now I am having Dula system on my Pc as Window Xp Pro on the main frame and the optional drive is for Window 2003 Corp. Server ,The way they'd built Window 2003 server is totalling much more difference from its 2000 modules, The one that I am using right now are support multi languages.. likewise Pythons which are scripting for php , Net* , frames and of course Visual studio.Net
The only problem I had during installation is window server 2003 wasn't capable for all the driver in its Class* and Hardwares 
Anyways.. THanks alot for your tips bro , I am now just happy that MucTim Family having more and more talented peoples whom has had warm, kind heart and willing to contribute their own time to help to those who are in-needed
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khongconai
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cho kca hỏi thim xí nữa nhé ..
kca mua cái router .. and đã connect vào cái desktop đuợc rồi á .. nhưng bây giờ kô biết fải mua thêm cái ... dây loại nào nữa để connect wa cái laptop á ..........
có ai bíet ...thi chỉ dzùm kca diz' nhé
thanks again!
kca,
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Never let it rest,
till your GOOD is BETTER
and your BETTER is the BEST."
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VeCon
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Sis Khong Con Ai :
Sis phải coi cái lap top của sis có loại nào ( Modem hay Ethernet card) cho Internet ,, Nếu sis còn giữ cai; receipt khi mua Cái Lap top thi sis coi trong đó viết Internet Connectivity của sis là loại nào ,, nếu như dùng để cho High Speed Internet thì sis mua cái cộng dây RJ-45 cộng dây này exactly the same like the cộng dây sis xài khi connect từ máy sis vào Router ( hay nguợc lại) chỉ đơn giản vây thôi á
Chúc Sis thành công hén
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j2eeanddotnet
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KCA, further to the good instruction from VC, I have another idea to assist you in hope this would involve less technological knowledge from a common user. Can you please let me know the detailed model of your laptop and I will show you in detail how to do this. A good example of a detailed model is Dell Latitude C600, C400 or C640 not just Dell only. The detailed model should be at the bottom of the laptop. I would need this to show you the location of the port (on the left, on the right, behind the laptop, etc) and learn the specifications of the laptop so that I can provide the instruction in detail. Hope this would help.
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khongconai
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sis VC ... cái laptop của kca có 2 cái luôn thì fải á ...
thanks sis nha ...
hi J2! .. cái laptop cua kca la HP á .. but con cái số gi ở đàng sau cái laptop đó ... kca ko biet nữa .. tại lật nó len coi thì thấy có nhieu số wá à .. ko biết J2 hỏi số nao đây nữa .. 
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j2eeanddotnet
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KCA
HP has some of the following models:
(i) HP Compaq nx7000 series, (ii) HP Compaq nc 4000 series, (iii) HP Compaq 9100 series, (iv) HP Compaq nc 6000 series, (v) Compaq Evo N1020v, (vi) Compaq Evo N800v, (viii) Compaq Evo N610C series, (ix) Compaq Evo N620C series, etc.
In general, each series will have its own location of the network port or RJ45 port. The port for RJ-11 or RJ-12 shall be for modem connection lead. If you still have trouble in finding the model number, let me know if you could find two ports behind your laptop, as follows:
(i) one is square and small (should be for RJ-12). This port looks like a square hole that you seem to be able to plug in your telephone line, and
(ii) the other is square too but is bigger (should be for RJ-45). If you plug a telephone line into this port, the line jack is smaller than the port and most of the time it's unfit like an S-sized person wearing XXL clothes. This is the one.
Then, if you have not already done so, please go and buy a twisted-pair network lead (just tell the seller of this name), commonly called a network cable. It has RJ-45 jacks on both ends.
At home, one end will go to the router and the other will go to the port mentioned in (ii) above.
When you plug it to the laptop, the lights (one green and one yellow on both sides of the RJ-45 port) should be on assuming the laptop and router are also turned on. It shows that a network connection is working and it is more likely that you will be able to send HTML requests to your ISP via the router.
I hope this helps. Please let me know if you still have trouble in doing this or if you need me to explain anything further.
Should you will be successful with one laptop similar principle will apply to the second.
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VeCon
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Very Good , clear and extremely specific Jean,,,, Sis Không Con Ai làm theo cách chĩ dẫn của Jean nhe ,, chỉ cần biết cái Out put nó là gì ( trong lap top) thì Sis sẽ biết connect từ Router ra đến cái Laptop á ,, Chúc sis Luôn Vui vẻ ..
Thanks alot Jean , VeCon had almost forget to mention it ( how to identify those Net work interface ) Thanks bro
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khongconai
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thanks si VC and Jean nhiều nhé ....
bữa nay kca có ga best buy để coi á, nhưng ma thấy nhiều cái loại nó ghi la RJ -45 wá à .. kca không biết chọn cái nào hết á .. Some thì ghi la CAT5, some thi lại ghi la cate5, some thi ghi la CAT6 ... kca bó tay kô bít chọn cái nào hít .............
also ..kca có cái cross-over cable, bỏ vô gắn thử thì mới đầu nó work á .. nhung sau khi restart computer ...thi nó hết work à .. ko bít tại lam sao nua ..
VC and Jean biết thi chỉ dzùm nhé .... kca kô có dzành dzia computer lám ...
thanks gain!
kca
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j2eeanddotnet
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KCA
My message will be divided into mini-messages for easy reading (because if I post everything in one message you might just read the first few lines and skip the remaining) namely one on knowledge and the other on a solution applying to your case. I composed this message off-line and without the knowledge whether or not VC and/or GS will have provided a solution ahead of me and so please forgive us if you might have such many solutions that might confuse you.
If you wish to gain knowledge please go to Message 1. If you only wish to know what to do next please go to the Message 2.
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j2eeanddotnet
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Message 1
In this section I will provide information in my own words about CAT and cross-over cables:
(1) CAT
CAT means category. A network cable has many categories ranging from 1 to 6 and 6 is the latest category as at Christmas Eve 2003. I only explain CAT5 to CAT6.
(a) CAT5: this is a good and common network cable, third from the latest technology. You will need to buy this one.
(b) CAT5E: is better than CAT5 and supports full-duplex Fast Ethernet. Let me know if you wish me to explain what is full duplex.
(c) CAT6: supports the frequency of 250MHz or two and a half times the specifications of CAT5 and CAT5E. You must buy all components of CAT6 from the same vendor because of the compatibility issues.
To recognise a CAT6 cable, you will see at the end of the cable there is a shield in white metal (while with CAT5 there is no shield at all). The shield is just like a ring covering all the cables embedded into the jack (RJ-45).
CAT6 will be used when you need to send images and voice over the Internet because its ability to filter noise is far better than any other CAT.
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j2eeanddotnet
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(2) CROSS OVER (CO):
This cable looks like a network cable but is thinner in diameter because inside the cover there are only four tiny cables. If you look at the end of this cable you only see there are four cables (even though the size of the jack is the same as a CAT). Hold CAT and CO on both hands and you will be able to feel the difference straight away.
(3) WHEN TO USE CAT OR CO?
(a) Use CO when you wish to connect (i) two PCs together without using a router or switch, or (ii) two hubs together in order to provide more ports.
(b) Use CAT when you connect two or more PCs together using a switch or router.
(c) Use CAT when you connect two switches together (instead of using CO as 3(a) above) because a switch can handle cross-over in itself without the need to have a CO.
This explains why the cross over cable did not work in your situation because it is not supposed to connect a PC to a router.
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j2eeanddotnet
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Message 2
This tells you what to do in your situation:
Unless you wish to
(i) transfer images heavily, and/or
(ii) use Voice over Internet Protocol
over the network please buy CAT5.
Otherwise please buy CAT6 and note that CAT6 is expensive. I recommend CAT5.
I hope this would help you. Please do not hesitate to let me know if you wish me to explain anything further or should you still have trouble with any of the process.
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TNK
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Í mèn ...
Buy this:
http://hardwarecentral.dealtime.com/xPF-Linksys_EtherFast_Cable_DSL_BEFSR41
Buy at least 3 CAT5e cables ... This should support from 10 - 100 Mbps network ... Even up to 1000 Mbps if the cable is not too long. The length you need is determined by the distance to go from where the Linksys is to where the DSL modem is and the computers are at . This could be 100' if it is on different floors .
Hook 1 cable from your DSL modem to the WAN port of the Linksys.
Hook 1 cable from each of 4 remaining LAN port to each computer that you have . This Linksys model support up to 4 computers . If you add more ... ask for help again ...
Make sure everything is plugged in correctly and turn on power in the order of:
DSL modem
Linksys router
Computers
Then that should be all there is to it .
Later on when you are worried about security ...
File sharing ... Printer sharing ... etc...
come back for more ... hints ... hihihi
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j2eeanddotnet
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Thanks, tnk, for providing an answer from another angle.
Second, to be consistent in your assistance to KCA, I just would like to clarify one thing. KCA, you can buy CAT5E or CAT5. The former is more expensive than the later. Commonly, purchase 5. If you wish to spend more for a better cable, 5E. If you wish me to provide a detailed technical answer and/or explanation for you decision whether you will select CAT5 or CAT5E please do not hesitate to let me know.
KCA is not a technical person and so if she comes back and one said "buy 5" while another said "buy 5E", she will wonder "oh, what to do now?". This message is intended to assist her on that issue and no other intention is made in this post. Please do not make any assumption other than such.
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TNK
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K.I.S.S....
Keep it simple ...s____ ....
CAT5E is standard now . The old CAT5 is still around but no one in their right mind uses it any more. Cost is only a few cents per foot difference , even if you rewire the whole office building it would only add a few hundred dollars to the miles of cables you have to run.
The other option if she has the money to spring for it is to go Wireless. No cables to string , drill holes, staple, etc.... Works great if she and her friends with WiFI laptops, PDA, etc... that comes over and they can share with no fuss no muss...
It probably takes 5 minutes to set any of this up and ... I don't know how long to sit and explain how and why it works ...  
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khongconai
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Jean! ... I greatly appreciate your help very much! ...:) Through your explaination, I do understand more about this things. Also I would like to know the different between CAT5 and CAT5e, so would you please explain it for me ? I'm not good at computer and technician stuffs, but I have a curious mind. I just don't want to do it, but also I want to know what to do, how it work and why I have to do it that. So yeah, your imput help me a lot, and thanks again!!!!
TNK! .....I'm greatly appreciated your help too. Simple, easy to undersdand, and easy to do  ..but yeah ..I still wonder about the router... cuz you've been saying about wireless and wired. The money is not very different between that two, and I don't really mind much about that. As long as it good,useful and last long ...then I wouldn't mind spent little more to buy it. However I heard my friend said that wired is better, cuz I don't get distract while get on the internet and stuffs ... I got the wired router, and I now I have to deal w/ it and all... ...I'm kindda slow ... that's why it takes little longer for me to get all this... Anyway ........thank you again!
best wish for you all,
kca
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Never let it rest,
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j2eeanddotnet
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Thanks, tnk, for your message commencing with "kiss". Kca, I am on holidays but am not having the hardware book with me at the moment until Monday morning when I come back to the office. Then I will be able to explain to you in technical terms and in detail the difference between CAT5 and CAT5E.
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TNK
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http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/tutorial/nov02/tutorial_2_1102.pdf
Cat5e is optimized for the higher speed . Coi mí frequency responce chart thì thấy ...
Còn gigabit thì dùng CAT6 ... coi thấy nó ngon hơn 1xí ... muh đắt hơn gấp đôi gấp 3 ...
Hihihi lỡ gùi thì ... xài tạm cho qua ngày tháng .... năm ...nhé ...
Thiệt ra thì most DSL or cable modem output là 10 Mbit thui à ... nin CAT5 trở lên xài được ráo ... nhưng router /internal network thì xà láng 100 Mb tốt nhất .
Dzị là everything Ok gùi fải hông ?
Đến Tết nhớ ... lì xì bao lớn nhen ...
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khongconai
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Jean! okie ... anytime is fine w/ me ....... thanks
TNK! ...what about ..the router ...wireless and wired ........cái nào tốt hơn dzạ ? núi đi có gi tết "lì xì" luôn 1 luợt ..
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TNK
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The new standard just adopted this year:
54 Mb/s ~5 times as fast as old standard 11Mb/s
http://www.presentationmaster.com/2003/10_oct/editorials/cw_kayye_10_9_03.htm
Wired router:
Proven technology
rẻ hơn ...
Medium to hard to implement .
Wireless:
New tech
More expensive
Easiest to implement
If you have current laptop, now is the best time to get on WIFI.
IF you have just desktops then regular router should be fine for the next 3-5 years . Your comps will be obsolete by then .
You can switch over to WIFI at that time .
Depend on your wallet size ... hihihi
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j2eeanddotnet
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Kca, the link provided by Tnk about CAT5, CAT5E and CAT6 provides very good information that satisfies your hunger for knowledge. Therefore, instead of compiling my post, I suggest you would read that one and please let me or tnk know should you wish to expand your knowledge further. Good work, tnk, with the URLs.
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khongconai
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hi J and TNK ...
kca đã có coi qua roi .......cam ơn 2 người nhiều nhé!!
wish you best luck!!!
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Never let it rest,
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and your BETTER is the BEST."
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GodSpeeds
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Got it to work now kca? You've got lots of instructions from here, hope you won't get confused
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VeCon
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 sao hổng có ai cám ơn tui hết dzi?? hic hic hic .. Tui cũng help mờ .. Pà con ăn gian wé xé hổng chơi nữa á ...
Anyways ... Have a Wonderful New Year Celeration Pà con ... VeCon is now in New York .. And có lẻ sẽ đi TIme Square coi New Year Celeration and sau đó come back to Canada again and ready for next trip in Asia ... Chúc Pà Con luôn luôn vui vẻ hén ,,,
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j2eeanddotnet
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Vecon, thanks for your assistance. I wish you a very Happy New Year and a very nice evening at The Times Square and a very joyful overseas trip following that.
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GodSpeeds
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vecon đi asia nhung đi nước nào vay? có đi VN không? nếu vè VN thì đi chơi nhớ rủ nha vì GS cũng sẽ về một tuần =)
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VeCon
Người Nhà MT
Reged: 07/16/03
Posts: 183
Loc: Canada
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ohh yes Bro GP .. VeCon sẽ vào VN chơi 1 week too á ,, nhuu*ng not sure là when vì VeCon sẽ phải làm việC trước á ( có gì thì VeCon sẽ lien lạc voi bro sau hén
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GodSpeeds
Người Nhà MT
Reged: 01/08/03
Posts: 1765
Loc: gone with the wind
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How was ur Vietnam trip Vecon? Mine was fun, I took Thailand tour and stop by VN for a week.
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